Dayton El Paso

S3E16: El Paso, Dayton & 2020 Debate Night one

Toady’s show we had planned on talking about the 2020 candidates and night one of the second debate but then two crazy white dudes went to El Paso and Dayton and decided to kill people.

In El Paso, TX the mass murderer was captured after killing, what now appears to be, 22 people and injuring dozens. He left an online screed on a forum for racists that said the killings were to stop the Mexican invasion.

Thirteen hours later in Dayton, OH another sick individual decided to carry out his own shooting. This time he killed his sister and 9 others.

The only reason the body count wasn’t higher is that police were on the scene within minutes, if not less than a minute at the start of the shooting.

In this case, the mass murderer was killed. Note: I will not type the name or mention the name of the killers unless and until it is absolutely necessary if at all.

We will revisit these issues when we discuss the state of the race, but the focus on today’s show is the 2020 primary debate. What do the candidates say about gun violence? Listen below and as always check out previous episodes at V-TIP.COM.

The President Speaks

Earlier the President had a press conference, regarding the shootings in El Paso and Dayton. in a pre-written statement the author of the “send her back” chant said:

“In one voice, our nation must condemn bigotry, hatred and white supremacy,”

 “These sinister ideologies must be defeated.” 

The President seemed to want to blame video games, mental illness and hatred as the cause of gun violence.

The president did not take responsibility for any of it. The killer in El Paso had a manifesto which curiously seemed to go out of its way to state his views predate Donald Trump and dismissed any attempt to blame the 45th President as, using Trump’s language, “fake news”.

If the killer set out to kill Mexicans he succeeded as reports are some of the victims were Mexican.

Mexican President tweeted out:

“I lament the events that have occurred in El Paso, Texas, neighbor and brother to Ciudad Júarez and our country. I send my condolences to the families of the victims, American citizens as well as Mexicans,”

2020 Candidates Respond

The murders in El Paso and Dayton also has the 2020 candidates tweeting.

“The president is weak. And wrong,” Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) tweeted. “White supremacy is not a mental illness, and guns are a tool that white supremacists use to fulfill their hate.”

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) went after the president trying to deflect on video games and said the larger issue is the access to high-powered weapons.

Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) on Sunday night went after the president’s response to the shootings calling it an “absolute freaking joke.”

On Monday, the congressman expressed disbelief after the president mistakenly referred to shooting victims in “Toledo” rather than Dayton.

“Toledo. Fck me,” Ryan tweeted.

Reports are the shootings in El Paso and Dayton has Tim Ryan suspending his campaign.

Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke took on the media chastising them for asking why he believed the President was the cause of this.

“What do you think? You know the shit he’s been saying,..He’s been calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. I don’t know, like, members of the press, what the f—?”

Dayton, Ohio

Reports are the Dayton killer was dispatched quickly, unfortunately after he killed nine and injuring twenty-seven.

Surveillance video showed the final moments in the life of the 24 year old shooter.

NBC News listed the victims (as of now):

Lois L. Oglesby, 27

Oglesby was a nursing school student and mother of two children who had recently been on maternity leave, a friend told the Dayton Daily News. “She was a wonderful mother, a wonderful person,” Derasha Merrett was quoted as saying. “I have cried so much, I can’t cry anymore.”

Megan K. Betts, 22

Betts, the gunman’s sister, was an undergraduate student at Wright State University, a public university named in honor of aviation pioneers Orville and Wilbur Wright. She was studying earth and environmental sciences.

Saeed Saleh, 38

Derrick R. Fudge, 57

Fudge was spending time with family when he was shot, his sister told the Dayton Daily News. “They were all just down there enjoying themselves and had stepped out of, I think, one of the clubs and were in a line to get some food,” Twyla Southall told the newspaper.

Logan M. Turner, 30

Turner, who recently began working as a machinist at Thaler Machine Co. in Springboro, was out with friends over the weekend after celebrating his birthday, his mother told the Dayton Daily News. “He was very generous and loving and the world’s best son,” Danita Turner told the newspaper.

Nicholas P. Cumer, 25

Cumer was a graduate student in the master of cancer core program at Saint Francis University in Loretto, Pennsylvania, according to a statement released by the school’s president. “Nicholas was dedicated to caring for others,” Malachi Van Tassell said in the statement.

Thomas J. McNichols, 25

McNichols, whose nickname was “TeeJay,” was a father of four and a “gentle giant,” his aunt told the Dayton Daily News. “Everybody loves him. He was like a big kid,” Donna Johnson told the newspaper. “When all of the movies come out — Batman, ‘Black Panther’ — he would get all his nephews and take them to the movies.”

Beatrice N. Warren-Curtis, 36

Monica E. Brickhouse, 39

El Paso, TX

The death toll from the shooting at a Walmart rose to 22 killed and 24 injured.

It is less clear as to the identity of those who died in the Walmart shooting.

CBS News is reporting prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for the killer.

 U.S. Attorney John Bash said they will pursue a criminal investigation, a civil rights hate crime investigation and “domestic terrorism” charges against the suspect, who was identified as 21-year-old suspect.

Obama speaks

Former President Obama spoke out on the tragedies in El Paso and Dayton.

He called on the country Monday to reject words “coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders” that feed fear and hatred and normalize racist sentiments, a clear rebuke of President Trump.

4chan and 8chan

The websites that were the social networks for extremists are down. Cloudflare, the security company that protects websites from such network attacks like denial of service, announced it was no longer in business with 4chan or its sister site 8chan.

8chan, the website where the suspected El Paso gunman posted a hate-filled screed, was down temporarily on Monday after its website security and network provider Cloudflare said it would no longer provide services for the controversial site. 

“8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate,” Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince said in a Monday blog post.  

8chan, in a tweet posted late Sunday, acknowledged the decision from Cloudflare and said it expected “some downtime in the next 24-48 hours while we find a solution.” Several checks of the 8chan website Monday morning showed it was down. But the news website Vice reported Monday that 8chan’s administrators said they had secured the services of a provider called BitMitigate and were back online, although not in all parts of the world.

Without Cloudflare’s security service, the site would be open to online attacks that could interrupt access, the Associated Press noted.

The NY Times reports the founder of 8chan believes the site should be shut down for good.

“Shut the site down,” Mr. Brennan said in an interview. “It’s not doing the world any good. It’s a complete negative to everybody except the users that are there. And you know what? It’s a negative to them, too. They just don’t realize it.”

Mr. Brennan, who has claimed that he got the idea for 8chan while on psychedelic mushrooms, set out to create what he called a free speech alternative to 4chan, a better-known online message board. He was upset that 4chan had become too restrictive, and he envisioned a site where any legal speech would be welcome, no matter how toxic.

The site remained on the fringes until 2014, when some supporters of GamerGate — a loose reactionary collection of anti-feminist video gamers — flocked to 8chan after being kicked off 4chan.

The Majority Report and Davos

Taking a turn away from the day’s news – in the podcast we discuss Davos.

It was and oldie but a goodie clip from the Majority Report. In it a economics reporter did not appear to know the country at one time had a very high tax rate for millionaire and billionaires.